In this episode Iris and Ginger discuss the idea and practice of working with the material realm.

How and why we imbue the objects around us with meaning. 

Is there such a thing as sacred outside of our own minds and beliefs? 

Do things mass produced in China become talismans if we fill them with intention or is the magic in the handcraft and time we put into it. 

What matters when it comes to matter - and why does it matter to us?

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Many thanks to the talented Kathryn Claire for the use of her "Bakers Song" as our intro and exit music!

Find all of her songs at her https://kathrynclairemusic.com/home